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		<title>By: Jeffrey A. Haines&#8217; Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Learning from setbacks</title>
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		<title>By: &#187; Innovation is a bumpy road but journalism needs it &#124; The Journalism Iconoclast</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Innovation is a bumpy road but journalism needs it &#124; The Journalism Iconoclast</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] reason people are using the performance of LoudounExtra.com (it&#8217;s still going by the way) to cast judgment on Curley, his ideas and hyperlocal journalism in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Levi Chronister</title>
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		<description>Mark,

I just wanted to make a few thoughts/clarifications on your post:

-- The Fast Company article came after Rob had already been in Naples for months, not before Naples/Scripps hired him. Also, I'm 99.9 percent sure the photo idea was from their people, not Rob himself.

-- Rob did not take "most of his online staff" when he left Lawrence for Naples. In fact, I was the only full-time Journal-World employee to go to Naples. Two interns also went, but the very large majority of full-timers stayed in Lawrence.

-- I can't speak exactly to Naples revenue numbers, but I'm again 99.9 percent sure that the sites/projects we built were financially strong. I will readily admit that revenue there had every bit as much to do with having a publisher (John Fish) who was a master salesman and a hard-working ad staff as anything Rob or the rest of us did, if not more (which I'm sure Rob would readily admit also).

-- "Hyperlocal" was not a buzz word Rob created (or thought of) for the Post job. It's a term that's been around since at least the time we were in Lawrence (based on &lt;a href="http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/041026glaser/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;). I can't remember the first time it was used to describe the work we were doing, but I know it was before we came to Washington.

-- To say that the Bivings Report blog post was "abandon(ing) his teachings and pointing out his flawed plan" is a large amount of hyperbole. Mr. Zeigler points to three takeaways, only one of which (the first) can be placed squarely and solely on the shoulders of Rob/our team (and which Rob takes the blame for at the end of the WSJ article). The other two are organizational issues that share blame all around.

-- Similarly, your "reporting today the emperor has no clothes" link goes to a blog post that is, &lt;a href="http://localonliner.com/2008/05/30/curley-on-hyperlocal-the-wapo-and-the-vegas-venture/" rel="nofollow"&gt;a day later&lt;/a&gt;, responded to by the original writer, who admits he "inaccurately noted that LoudounExtra.com hadn't yet rolled out high school sports". His original post also mentions the lack of community-publishing tools, which the WSJ article explains. I don't see where Mr. Krasilovsky points out anything along the lines of Rob being a fraud or any such thing. I might be to close to all of this to see the forest for the trees, though.

-- I've said this in response to other blog posts, but saying that Rob "took most of his staff" is pretty darn offensive (accidentally so, I have no doubt) to those of us who have chosen to go to Las Vegas as well. We have all given a lot of thought to our options, which included staying at WPNI or looking for a job somewhere else entirely. We are leaving on our own terms, not just blindly following or being brought to Vegas on leashes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>I just wanted to make a few thoughts/clarifications on your post:</p>
<p>&#8211; The Fast Company article came after Rob had already been in Naples for months, not before Naples/Scripps hired him. Also, I&#8217;m 99.9 percent sure the photo idea was from their people, not Rob himself.</p>
<p>&#8211; Rob did not take &#8220;most of his online staff&#8221; when he left Lawrence for Naples. In fact, I was the only full-time Journal-World employee to go to Naples. Two interns also went, but the very large majority of full-timers stayed in Lawrence.</p>
<p>&#8211; I can&#8217;t speak exactly to Naples revenue numbers, but I&#8217;m again 99.9 percent sure that the sites/projects we built were financially strong. I will readily admit that revenue there had every bit as much to do with having a publisher (John Fish) who was a master salesman and a hard-working ad staff as anything Rob or the rest of us did, if not more (which I&#8217;m sure Rob would readily admit also).</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8220;Hyperlocal&#8221; was not a buzz word Rob created (or thought of) for the Post job. It&#8217;s a term that&#8217;s been around since at least the time we were in Lawrence (based on <a href="http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/041026glaser/" rel="nofollow">this article</a>). I can&#8217;t remember the first time it was used to describe the work we were doing, but I know it was before we came to Washington.</p>
<p>&#8211; To say that the Bivings Report blog post was &#8220;abandon(ing) his teachings and pointing out his flawed plan&#8221; is a large amount of hyperbole. Mr. Zeigler points to three takeaways, only one of which (the first) can be placed squarely and solely on the shoulders of Rob/our team (and which Rob takes the blame for at the end of the WSJ article). The other two are organizational issues that share blame all around.</p>
<p>&#8211; Similarly, your &#8220;reporting today the emperor has no clothes&#8221; link goes to a blog post that is, <a href="http://localonliner.com/2008/05/30/curley-on-hyperlocal-the-wapo-and-the-vegas-venture/" rel="nofollow">a day later</a>, responded to by the original writer, who admits he &#8220;inaccurately noted that LoudounExtra.com hadn&#8217;t yet rolled out high school sports&#8221;. His original post also mentions the lack of community-publishing tools, which the WSJ article explains. I don&#8217;t see where Mr. Krasilovsky points out anything along the lines of Rob being a fraud or any such thing. I might be to close to all of this to see the forest for the trees, though.</p>
<p>&#8211; I&#8217;ve said this in response to other blog posts, but saying that Rob &#8220;took most of his staff&#8221; is pretty darn offensive (accidentally so, I have no doubt) to those of us who have chosen to go to Las Vegas as well. We have all given a lot of thought to our options, which included staying at WPNI or looking for a job somewhere else entirely. We are leaving on our own terms, not just blindly following or being brought to Vegas on leashes.</p>
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